RATING: 07/10
Friday 17 April 2009
Book Guild Publishing - Reviewed
RATING: 07/10
16 C O M M E N T S:
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Anonymous said...
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Thanks for this. I have just had a partnership offer from The Book Guild and am unsure whether to proceed or not.
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23 October 2009 10:05
- JFBookman said...
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Mick, another thorough review.
Do you have any information on Bookguild's charges to authors? I wonder whether the fee is simply for the raw costs of producing the book, or is the publisher attempting to get their profit up front from the author?
In fact I'd be interested in whether you know of any "partnership publishers" who work on the model that was common some years ago, where the author basically pays the printer's invoice, and the publisher splits the net profits 50-50, after subtracting their marketing and advertising costs.
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24 December 2009 23:39
- Mick Rooney said...
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Joel,
I don't have specific figures, but I believe when I did the review I requested a sample quote from them which ran into four figures. And, yes, they tend to focus on offset runs, not POD, because of their distribution arrangements. This is not a service option for the faint-hearted or author without a very strong book and a clear marketing plan.
Other such partnership publishers would be PEN PRESS and MATADOR. See the reviews I have done on them. I've found that the partnership publishers in the UK seem far better set up with distribution and the book retail sector than their US cousins. In fact, its hard offhand to name one good US outfit following this model. There was Cold Tree Publishing (I wrote an article on them as well), but they went belly-up in July. -
25 December 2009 00:55
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Anonymous said...
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I recently had a partnership offer from Book Guild Publishing, but it wasn't far short of a five-figure sum! This was for a fairly average length novel.
Book Guild appear to offer an extremely good service to authors, and in all their dealing with me they were never anything less than professional. What they offer may well be worth the author contribution - but I imagine that, like me, most people are not going to be able to commit that sort of money. -
19 January 2010 17:32
- Mick Rooney said...
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Anonymous,
I think your assessment of Book guild is pretty fair. I too have heard from authors with regular quotes of four figures.
This model of partnership publishing, more often than not, uses offset print runs rather than POD, because the concentration is on getting books to bookstores by the traditional channels, and that introduces warehouse and distribution costs as well as a formulated marketing plan.
I've said in a previous article that even the smallest uk presses are committing £10 - £20k per title. So you could argue that book Guild,and partnership publishers like them, Pen Press and Matador, actually do what old-style vanity publishers promised an author they would do - print, market and sell their book!
It's a big investment for an author and they must be sure they are dealing with a reputable partnership publisher offering a 50/50 share in profits. Personally, I don't think this is the first port of call for an unpublished author, but ideal for one who has a solid but respectable mid list readership.
When it works wells - it really can be lucrative for an author, and with a dedicated readership, what is spent on marketed is much more carefully targeted. -
19 January 2010 19:06
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Anonymous said...
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Hi
I have just been offered a deal for a childrens picture book through Book Guild, which is with partnership publishing. It is a four figure amount plus I need to pay for illustrations.
I do not know alot of history about Book Guild and what they do and their sales history.
I am wanting to find out whether this is a good option or not or if I should be looking elsewhere?
Is there anyway to find out the book sales for Book Guild?
How many bookstores do they have books in? Waterstones etc?
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17 February 2010 16:04
- Mick Rooney said...
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Hi Anonymous,
As indicated above in the comments, a four figure sum would be considerd the norm for the partnership publishing model.
Regarding sales, one option is to look for a sample of their titles over the past 12 months and check their ranking on Amazon, the large five and six digit figures relay an indication of low sales - the lower the ranking the greater and more regular sales are. The Amazon ranking is only a broad barometer, and it takes into account both sales units as well as frequency.
I would be concerned if you are relying on The Book Guild to do all the promotion and generatation of sales. Comparing the experience of one self-published/partnership published book can be tricky because you don't know the terms and degree of marketing services purchased by any given author.
Before you commit, I would suggest you descretly contact one or two of the authors listed with The Book Guild over the past year and see if they will provide you with feedback about their own experience and success.
Also before you sign a contract, make sure you have been given a clear and detailed marketing plan from BG outlining what they are doing and what is expected of you. -
17 February 2010 17:30
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Anonymous said...
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Book Guild has offered me a no-contribution deal or a contribution deal effectively 5-figure with 30% but only of the first run, which would be no less than 1000 books and 12% after that. How does that follow-up percentage and first run sound?
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19 April 2010 10:41
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Anonymous said...
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Take the no-contribution deal.
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23 August 2010 17:57
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Anonymous said...
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I've just looked at the Book Guild website and found one of their cover images looks remarkably like George Michael from the Older album. It's a book about an elf called Chard.
I'm sure the cooking theme was unintentional, but perhaps the Marketing and Publicity Director has been using rather too much oregano in the promotion of her own book? -
31 March 2011 00:15
- Editor said...
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LOL, what's the url link to the book, I'd like to take a look at that!
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31 March 2011 00:23
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Anonymous said...
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http://www.bookguild.co.uk/genesis-c-1-p-1-pr-1133.html
Is it George? -
31 March 2011 14:54
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Anonymous said...
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I published my novel on a partnership basis with Book Guild. I envisaged it in paperback only but after quite strong persuasion, I eventually agreed to its being published as a hardback. Huge mistake: far too expensive for the market, and bookshops aren't interested. Also, they talk about a 'rigorous editorial service'; it wasn't: copy-editing only. And their fee was close to five figures.
Frankly, one is better off purchasing a full editorial service from a consultancy, then self-publishing either through a service provider, or buying a cover design service, your own ISBN and distribution through Neilsen, and buying a typesetting and printing service. You can get the same result at a fraction of the cost. -
9 August 2012 17:48
- Mick Rooney said...
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I'd agree, and your are not the first person to tell me you forked out an almost five-figure amount from Book Guild. Any service trying to persuade to to publish a hard back edition should ring alarm bells.
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9 August 2012 18:31
- Mick Rooney said...
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I'd agree, and your are not the first person to tell me you forked out an almost five-figure amount from Book Guild. Any service trying to persuade to to publish a hard back edition should ring alarm bells.
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9 August 2012 18:31
- Sarah Koonce said...
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I was duped by The Book Guild too. Signed a 5 figure contract, promised the world. Got very little. They didn't market the book - the media coverage I arranged myself. And, it is now out of stock just before Christmas and they are all of a sudden not contactable via email and ignoring my repeated attempts at contacting them. My first payment, 6 months after publication, was only 1/4 of what I paid to get published.
Sadly, I would not recommend them to anyone.
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18 December 2012 23:54